Nathan Chan has broken every rule in business to have a successful company.
Hear his leadership journey and what he's learnt from interviewing over 100 business billionaires. 

In this high value episode, Callum and Rebecca Jenkins are joined by Rich Diviney, a former Navy SEAL commander with over two decades of leadership experience, leading elite teams in some of the world’s most challenging environments.
Rich is also a human performance expert, and the author of The Attributes: 25 Hidden Drivers of Optimal Performance, Rich Diviney offers deep insights into the key traits that make a true leader.
From thoughts of becoming a naval aviator to commanding high-performing units, Rich shares  invaluable leadership lessons and attributes that have shaped his career and the success of his teams. He shares practical tips to implement in business.
This conversation dives into the critical difference between skills and attributes, shedding light on why businesses must focus on this to create effective teams capable of performing under pressure.
In this episode, Rich talks about:
The Key Leadership Attributes (05:12): Discover the powerful traits that define success in high-stakes environments and how they apply to leadership.
Skills vs. Attributes (08:23): Rich explains why attributes like resilience, adaptability, and emotional intelligence are just as important, if not more so, than technical skills.
Unlocking Potential with Attributes Inc. (12:56): How Rich’s company applies military, neuroscience, and psychological insights to help organisations build high-performing teams.
Perseverance vs. Resilience (20:42): The nuanced difference between these two traits and how to cultivate them in your team.
Building Team Trust (28:11): Rich discusses how small behaviors and consistent actions can build lasting trust, even in the most stressful situations.
The Science of Team Dynamics (33:59): Learn how subtle behavioral shifts can dramatically improve team cohesion and performance under pressure.
Memorable Quotes from Rich Diviney.
“When the stakes are high, it’s not the skills you have—it’s the attributes you rely on.”
“Leadership is about understanding the people you’re leading, knowing their strengths, and pushing them to achieve their best under pressure.”
“Trust isn’t built with grand gestures—it’s built with small, consistent actions over time.”
Resources Mentioned:
Rich Diviney’s book: The Attributes: 25 Hidden Drivers of Optimal Performance
The Attributes Assessment Tool: theattributes.com
Simon Sinek’s work on trust: simonsinek.com
Connect with Rich Diviney:
 
LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/richdiviney
Instagram: @rich_diviney
 

Discover the traits of successful maverick leaders, and how to apply them to transform your leadership and business.
 
Episode Summary: We take a close look at Maverick Leadership, what it is and how to apply it, with our guest Judith Germain, a leading authority on Maverick Leadership.
 
Judith reveals how Maverick leaders,like Steve Jobs, Richard Branson, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and even political figures like Barack Obama and Donald Trump, embody traits like willful independence, innovation, and the power to influence.
These leaders have transformed industries and driven massive change by staying true to their unique vision and approach.
Judith dives deep into the core principles of Maverick Leadership, showing how business owners and leaders can apply these traits to catalyse transformation and elevate their impact.
From determination to reputation, influence, and adaptability, Judith shares actionable insights that will help you become a more decisive and influential leader, ready to amplify your success and attract the clients you want.
We also explore why execution is the true key to turning plans into results, how to innovate with your product offerings, and why a growth mindset is crucial for any leader looking to achieve long-term success.
Key Takeaways
Maverick Leadership is about being willfully independent and adaptable to new ideas, with a focus on working for the greater good.
The DRIVEN acronym outlines the essential qualities of a Maverick Leader: Determination, Reputation, Influence, Versatility, Execution, and Narration.
Why commitment matters more than compromise.
How clear thinking and decisive actions are central to creating a lasting impact and driving business success.
The power of reframing negative thoughts and language to foster a positive mindset and enhance leadership.
Growth Mindset is critical for leaders, knowing how to hack your brain and use the subconscious to find the best solutions.
Famous Maverick leaders include Steve Jobs, Richard Branson, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump. Each embodies the characteristics of Maverick leadership, with a focus on independence, impact, and innovation.
Resources Mentioned:
Judith's Scorecard for Influence: A quick 5-7 minute tool to help you understand how to influence others and attract clients. Take the Scorecard
Judith’s Maverick Paradox Magazine: A publication focusing on lateral thinking and Maverick leadership insights. Visit the Magazine
Follow Judith on LinkedIn 
Maverick Paradox Website

What it takes to build 2 unicorn businesses. Personal and professional insights from Oyster CEO.
Tony Jamous, co-founder and CEO of Oyster, a global HR management platform, reveals the core principles of empathy-driven leadership and shares insights on what it takes to build unicorn businesses.
Reflecting on his journey from starting in sales to building 2 unicorn businesses, Tony discusses what it takes, the leadership and culture required particularly in remote work environments.
Throughout the episode, we explore how companies that fail to adapt to remote work risk losing top talent, as today’s workforce increasingly values flexibility and work-life balance.
Tony emphasises the importance of leaders modelling the behaviour they expect from their teams, creating a culture where psychological safety fosters innovation and risk-taking.
He introduces the concept of asynchronous communication, a strategy he uses to reduce emotional triggers and biases.
Additionally, Tony shares insights from his own personal transformation, highlighting the importance of growth, trust and adaptability in leadership.
Tony discusses the key factors in building 2 unicorn businesses.
Key segments
Empathy-Driven Leadership: A New Paradigm (03:38)
Building Trust in a Remote Workforce (06.35)
The Tools for Effective Remote Collaboration (09.37)
Transformative Leadership: Lessons from Personal Experience (15:15)
Key Factors for Business Success (18:05)
Final Thoughts and Tips for Emerging Leaders (20.29)
 
Connect with Tony Jamous https://www.linkedin.com/in/teljamou/
 

Leadership lessons learnt from first hand experience at Amazon, Google and The Gates Foundation.
John Rossman specialises in solving complex problems, he shares how leaders can make high-stakes decisions with clarity, velocity, and effective communication. 
John shares his experience of observing and working with big bet leaders such as Jeff Bezos, Amazon and Satya Nadella, Microsoft. 
Key Topics:
Big Bet Leadership - Making ambitious decisions with clarity, speed, and communication.
Lessons from Amazon - Leadership lessons from launching Amazon Marketplace and scaling in today's hyper digital landscape by making bold moves and with sharp thinking.
Customer Obsession - Aligning strategy with delivering customer value.
Communication - The role of storytelling and proactive communication in successful leadership.
 
Books Mentioned:
Big Bet Leadership by John Rossman
The Amazon Way by John Rossman
The Lean Startup by Eric Ries
Thinking in Systems by Donella H. Meadows
Good Strategy, Bad Strategy by Richard Rumelt
Connect with John Rossman:
Visit bigbetleadership.com for more resources and tools.
Connect with John Rossman on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-rossman/

An important and thought-provoking episode with Dr Suzanne Wertheim to discover how your leadership language might be negatively impacting you and the business.
Suzanne explains why being intentional with the language leaders use is crucial. Yet despite good intentions leadership language is often misaligned and causes problems in the workplace.
If you're a leader or managing a team this episode is a must listen to ensure your words encourage clarity, inclusivity, and positive engagement within your team.
Suzanne highlights that whilst good intentions guide our actions, it's crucial to reflect on whether our language is in alignment, otherwise our language can cause problems in the workplace.
Suzanne encourages listeners to seek feedback on their communication styles to ensure they’re using language that reflects their values and goals.
In sharing her own errors, Suzanne underscores the risks of language on autopilot. Offering practical advice on how leaders can handle mistakes in a way that builds trust and respect, turning moments of failure into opportunities for growth and understanding.
Key Segments:
Why our language patterns are sending a bad message (06.42)
Learning from Personal Language Mistakes (16:40)
How best to overcome a langage faux pas (20.51)
Does Your Language land well and what to do if not (25.36)
Rethinking Professional Behavior (27:29)

In this exceptional episode, Bob Burg, the renowned and prolific best selling author discusses the core principles of the Go-Giver philosophy and how they apply to leadership and success.
Bob emphasises the importance of providing value to others as the key to personal and professional success. Our conversation delves into how leaders can develop an approach of giving over getting as the fuel for business success.
Key Points Discussed:
The Go-Giver Philosophy:
The importance of shifting from a "getting" mindset to a "giving" one.
Success is directly proportional to how much value you provide to others.
Five Laws of Sustainable Success:
Bob breaks down the five laws from his book, including the Law of Value, the Law of Compensation, the Law of Influence, the Law of Authenticity, and the Law of Receptivity.
Leadership and Influence
How true leadership is about serving others and helping them achieve their goals.
Influence is about pulling, not pushing—how attraction, not coercion, builds lasting influence.
Blind spots in Leadership
Bob discusses how leaders often have blind spots—areas where they might be unaware of their own biases or shortcomings.
The importance of self-awareness and feedback in identifying and addressing these blind spots to become more effective leaders.
Common Misconceptions
Addressing the myth that giving leads to being taken advantage of.
Explaining how being a Go-Giver is not about being a doormat but about creating value and creating win-win relationships.
Handling Objections
Why trying to overcome objections isn't the best approach.
Memorable Quotes
“Give Exceptional Value to Enjoy Extraordinary Results."
"Blind spots are the areas where we are unknowingly holding ourselves back; addressing them is key to becoming a more effective leader."
Resources Mentioned
Book: "The Go-Giver" by Bob Burg and John David Mann
Website: www.thegogiver.com
Bob Burg https://burg.com/
Self Determination Theory of Motivation
https://www.apa.org/members/content/intrinsic-motivation
Dondi Scumaci https://dondiscumaci.com/compliance-will-never-take-you-where-commitment-can-go/
5 Leadership Thoughts from Mark Sanborn
https://blog.leadr.com/5-leadership-thoughts-from-mark-sanborn
John Maxwell Books
https://www.amazon.co.uk/stores/author/B001H6NROC 
Principles of Success, Ray Dalio
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Principles-Success-Ray-Dalio/dp/1982147210
Everybody Matters, Bob Chapman, Raj Sisodia
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everybody-Matters-Extraordinary-Caring-People/dp/1591847796
Leaders Eat Last, Simon Sinek
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leaders-Eat-Last-Together-Others/dp/1591845327/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

How To Achieve Innovation in Business: Disrupting a Traditional Industry
In this episode, we delve into how two visionaries are transforming a highly traditional industry with a world first innovative product that promises both cost savings proven return on investment and environmental benefits.
Episode Highlights:
Meet the Disruptors: Our guests, George Kochanowski, a former chemical engineer and founder and CEO of Staxxon, and Richard Danderline a finance expert are pioneering the development of folding shipping containers. With over $2 billion spent annually on repositioning empty containers, their solution offers significant cost reductions and positive environmental impacts.
The Journey of Innovation: Discover how George’s inquisitive mind led to the creation of this revolutionary product. Despite being told his idea was impossible, George’s perseverance, strategic planning, and entrepreneurial mindset are now challenging long-standing industry norms.
 
Driving Change: Insights on how to effectively introduce innovation in a traditional industry.
Mindset Matters: Strategies for maintaining a strong mindset in the face of setbacks.
Smart Conviction: The balance between blind faith and informed confidence in achieving success.
Uncommon Sense: The importance of unconventional thinking in driving progress.
Join us as we explore the fascinating story of Staxxon, and learn from George and Richard's experiences in innovation, resilience, and leadership.